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Let’s Talk About The Nazis

Posted by Matt in March 14th, 2008

By Barry Rubin

Comparing contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis is increasingly commonplace. –U.S. State Department report on antisemitism, 2007.

Let’s talk about the Nazis. There should have already been more than enough discussion about this in the more than half-century since Adolf Hitler’s bunker fell in 1945. There have been hundreds and thousands of books, articles, speeches, and so on about what is commonly known as the Holocaust.

But apparently it hasn’t been enough, or well enough understood.

The Nazis were not just mean people. They had an explicit doctrine of being superior human beings and of the Jews and others (especially Slavs and non-white peoples, except for their ally, Japan,) of being sub-humans who should be wiped out. Homosexuals and Gypsies would all be killed. Germany would rule the world.

This does not resemble Zionism. To put it bluntly, Zionism as an ideology has absolutely no interest in the world as a whole. It focuses only on building a Jewish state in the land of Israel. It has no interest in defining any other group of people, no global perspective. It has never even argued that Jews are better but only that Jews are a people with the same rights as other peoples. The concept is on asserting Jewish equality, not superiority.

There is, however, an ideology which does have a lot in common with Nazism, though there are also of course differences. Radical Islamism claims that other religions are inferior, that the people who hold them are evil, that Jews and Christians are evil, and that Islam should rule the world. The Hamas Charter quotes a source on this point: “You are the best community that has been raised up for mankind….Ignominy shall be their portion” of non-Muslims unless they convert to Islam.”

[Read about Barry Rubin's family, and how they were killed by the Nazis]

If it doesn’t seek the extinction of all Jews in the world, it favors the elimination of at least half (those in Israel) and the large part of the other half that supports Israel. The Hamas Charter says that only by killing all the Jews can the messianic era come and that Jews are the cause of all the world’s problems. Oh, yes, and it also calls Israel a “Nazi-like society.”

Mind you, these are the people controlling the Gaza Strip, firing rockets daily at Israel, teaching their children by television and in the classroom that killing Jews is their highest duty and honor, sending gunmen to murder Jewish students deliberately, and then celebrating that fact.

Let’s return, however, to the original and self-described Nazis to get a sense of what it means to have a Nazi policy.

My father’s family comes from the village of Dolginov which was in Poland, a few miles from the Russian border. Most of the inhabitants were Jews. By 1941, there were nearly 5,000 Jews there, about half of them refugees from the part of Poland already under German rule. On June 22, 1941, the Germans invaded the USSR and they entered Dolginov six days later. No one in Dohinov had a gun. No one fired a single shot at a German soldier.

What was the Nazi policy? All the Jews were forced into a ghetto. On March 3, 1942, the Germans murdered the rabbi and 22 other men. On March 28, about 800 Jews were killed. Between April 29 and May 1, all the rest of the Jewish inhabitants, except for a few who were kept temporarily as workers, were shot and thrown into a big ditch. The rest were murdered on May 21. Of 5,000 Jews then living into town, 96 percent were killed deliberately and systematically. And if the Nazis had their way it would have been 100 percent.

The only survivors were about 200 people who had fled into the forest, wandered for days, and finally had the luck to meet up with a Red Army patrol. They were taken to safety in Siberia for the rest of the war. Virtually all of them came to Israel, where they rebuilt their lives.

Today, these people and their descendants have the privilege of being compared to the Nazis by large parts of the world, including many who enjoy privileged lives in democratic countries.

This is my great aunt’s family on my grandfather’s side. Haya Doba Rubin, her husband Aharon Perlmutter, and their two sons, Haim who was 12 years old and Jacob who was 10 years old were murdered. No survivors.

This is my great uncle’s family on my grandmother’s side. Samuel Grosbein married Rivka Markman and they had two children, Leah Rivka, 18 years old, and Lev, 23 years old. All of them were murdered on the same day. No survivors.

Here is the family of my great aunt on my grandmother’s side. Rahel Grosbein married Yirimayahu Dimenshtein and they had two children, Moshe, 21 years old and Tova, 16 years old. The first three were murdered on the same day. Only Tova survived because she had fled into the forest.

That is what a Nazi policy is like. Multiply that by six million for the Jews alone and more for the Poles, Gypsies, homosexuals, and others.

Let’s compare this with a conventional Western democratic war-fighting policy. The goal here is to defeat the enemy army but it has been permissible to strike against the economy and infrastructure as well. There is no intent to kill civilians but they may be hit by accident. During World war Two, U.S. and British warplanes engaged in carpet bombing of German and Japanese cities as well as factories where civilian workers were employed. Tens of thousands of French civilians were killed in raids on occupied France.

To my knowledge, no Allied soldiers were punished for killing civilians by accident or through carelessness. Nobody was court-martialed for shooting prisoners.

Israeli policy is far more careful to avoid injuring civilians. Most airstrikes are against specific buildings or even individual automobiles. Civilian bystanders have been killed yet far fewer proportionately than has been true for, say, the U.S. or French armies. Soldiers have been tried and punished for actions which, at least in the recent past, would have been ignored in Western armies.

There is no instance I know of in which Israeli units opened unlimited fire on a crowd, even when rocks were being thrown or shots fired against them. Individual targets were picked out. Unarmed people were killed but not deliberately and in small numbers. If Israelis were as their enemies picture them to be, there would be hundreds of Palestinians killed in a single day, tens of thousands in a year.

Thus, even if Israel has been held to a double standard, its record has been better than that of even Western counterparts. Only by lying about that record–the norm in the Arabic-speaking world and all-to-common in the Western one–can it be made to seem terrible.

We need only remember what the Nazis believed and did, what Israelis believe and do, and what their enemies believe and do. It should not be so hard to understand the distinctions.

 

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Barry Rubin is director of the Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center http://www.gloriacenter.org and editor of the Middle East Review of International Affairs (MERIA) Journal http://meria.idc.ac.il . His latest books are The Truth About Syria (Palgrave-Macmillan) and The Long war for Freedom: The Arab Struggle for Democracy in the Middle East (Wiley) .

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1942. JLRichardson said,
March 14th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

So Israel must be a nice little kingdom that only wants to live in peace and harmony and do good for all mankind. It wouldn’t hurt a fly or even think of trying to take what belonged to someone else. Israelis are such nice people.
Didn’t I just recently hear that Israel threatened a “holocaust” on the Palestinians…a HOLOCAUST!
A few years ago I seem to remember that Israel used a missile to shoot some old man in a WHEELCHAIR….A WHEELCHAIR for crying out loud.
Israel said he was a terrorist. He was shot with a missile fired from a helo…a real act of bravery.
Pardon me! But when I read about Israeli soldiers who are in tanks, armored personnel carriers, jet fighters and helos shooting at boys who are mostly armed with rocks and sticks I have a difficult time seeing them as the “good guys”. When Israeli soldiers can bulldoze the homes of Palestinians, deprive them of water, food and medical care it kinda sticks in your craw.
I wonder if the writer of this column is aware of Israels desire to get the old Mosul Haifa pipeline reopened? That old oil pipeline was shut down when Israel came into being but Israel wants to have it reopened to get its hands on Iraq’s oil. It wants what belongs to someone else…in this case Arab oil. Very typical of Israel..wanting someone elses property. It intends to process that oil in Haifa and sell it on the World market making money (typical) on SOMEONE ELSES PROPERTY.
Sorry Writer! Israel is NOT the nice little peace loving innocent kingdom. It is a predatory expansionist imperialist Nazi like criminal regime. It comes complete with storm troopers and its own Swastika (the Star of David). It knows how to terrorize and threaten its neighbors but it wants to be seen as peace loving and innocent. It behaves more like a spoiled little brat whose big brother is the neighborhood bully who will protect it no matter how attrocious its behavior….well its days are numbered more surely than anything. With the Amerian economy in free fall and with two unwinnable wars on its plate America in the near future will not be able to just sacrifice everything for this worthless ally. That will leave Israel to stand alone against an enraged World and unless it plans to live in a radioactively poisoned area it will be doomed in spite of its nukes.
Some advice to the Israelis…”learn Chinese”

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1944. oxi said,
March 15th, 2008 at 4:07 am

To expect the average U.S. citizen to know what goes on outside the U.S. let alone inside is asking for too much.

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1946. Matt said,
March 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am

JL,

I think you’re being too hard on Israel. It’s fighting for its life against regimes that want to destroy it.

To defend oneself against a people that want to destroy you does not make you a Nazi.

If you look at the accomplishments of Jews and Israelis then you can see that the world is much better off because of them.

Get a list of Noble Prize winners. Note which ones are Jewish and which ones are Muslim. The difference is shocking.

Next start looking at the accomplishments of Israel. It’s nothing short of amazing.

Jesus and the founding members of Christianity were all Jewish.

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1947. Matt said,
March 15th, 2008 at 11:21 am

By David Jensen

For those of you who still belive that Israel is a NAZI!? state first remember we are fighting a war against those who would kick us out of our homeland, we took nothing, just dig a few feet anywhere to find jewish relics here.

The helicopter fired missiles which so upset people are very special, a hellfire with the warhead removed is unstable in flight, so we had to replace it with cement, making it a laser guided big bullet.

If you think that an old man in a wheelchair is no threat you had better speak to Stalin, Hitler, and Tojo they had what to worry about with frail helpless old FDR running the country. We have never had any desire to eliminate every Arab or even all Germans
from the world.

There are those who must hate us, that is their
challenge, it is our duty to keep ourselves and our children alive.

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1948. oxi said,
March 15th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

Wasn’t Serbia fighting Islamic terrorists called the KLA in Kosovo? You bet!

So why is the U.S./EU so hell bent on granting Kosovo independence in violation of international laws to appease known terrorists?

It’s called a double standard because with Kosovo as a backdrop the U.S. should be bombing Israel to hell.

Then again their is that billion dollar oil pipeline being built just south of Kosovo and Camp Bondsteel is there to protect it.

If only the truth would come out with such global affairs.

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1950. JLRichardson said,
March 15th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

Sorry Matt…I might agree with you on a lot of issues but here is a case where Israel is NOT the good guy. Two years ago didn’t Saudi Arabia offer TOTAL recognition and normalization of relations with Israel if it would return to its 1967 borders…that was full trade, recognition, the whole nine yards including a peace treaty. What did Israel do? It said NO…it wants peace and it wants the land and control of all the natural resources…WATER being paramount here. Israel wants peace on its own terms only. Israel wants to ethnically cleanse all of greater Israel, something that seems undeniable.
Aren’t members of the Knesset talking about removing all Arabs from Israel. Just suppose Iran talked about throwing out all 30,000 Jews from Iran who’ve been there since Biblical times…you’d never hear the end of it. Suppose Morocco threatened to throw out all its Jews …same thing…there’d be cry of horror but it seems OK for Knesset members to talk like that.
I did not say that Israel was a NAZI state..I said it was Nazi like and its behavior IS very much Nazi like. What other supposedly civilized country today is doing what Israel is getting away with in the Gaza Strip…
So, Israel was offered peace, trade, normalization and it said NO!. It would not return to its UN agreed borders but it wants the UN to back its every damand now.
And what about that Mosul Haifa pipeline? No one seems to want to discuss it..probably because there’s no denying Israel wants Arab oil and wants to make sure the US guarantees that Israel gets it.
As for Jews being Nobel prize winners…no one I know of denies or belittles those accompolishments. Jews are intelligent people. It is Israel’s behavior that is the problem.

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1951. Matt said,
March 15th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

oxi,

I actually agree with you about Kosovo’s independence. The U.S. blew it. I don’t know what we were thinking.

I always felt that the U.S. should stay out of Yugoslavia’s/Serbia’s business.

mygif
1952. Matt said,
March 15th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

JL,

OK, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this issue.

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1953. JLRichardson said,
March 16th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

Regarding Kosovo..do some research and anyone interested will find that Kosovo has some enormous gold and other metal resources. I think it has one of the largest gold mines in Europe…now under the control of the West. That’s what we were after…democracy for the Kosovars…nonsense!…It’s the GOLD!
Thank God for “google”…people can find out what’s really going on out there.

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1955. oxi said,
March 17th, 2008 at 6:01 am

Yes, we all know about the Trepca Mines but what about the huge oil find in western Kosovo and eastern Albania? What about the AMBO billion dollar oil pipeline to be built in the region and Camp Bondsteel is to protect it?

Kosovo is a pawn, back in 1999 it was for the oil pipeline project and to bust up Milosevich’s monopoly in Serbia and open the last closed markets to greedy western businessmen, Clinton needed a war victory for 8 years in office, NATO needed something to celebrate after 50 years, Clinton also needed to get Lewinsky off the minds of the sheep.

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1980. drsanto said,
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 pm

oxi~ thanks for clearing up background on why the U.S. supports Kosovo against Serbia. I agree, this is a mistake… Not only did we support Muslims against Christians (thus giving them a stronger footing in Europe), but we did so at the expense of what could’ve been an opportunity for friendship between Russia and the United States.

Regarding the Anti-Israel comments made elsewhere… WAKE UP!
The siege against Israel is the siege against the entire Western world. Israel is just on the “front line”.

Israel~ though you will be surrounded by enemies with none to help (save Him), DO NOT BE AFRAID. The end is already written and JEHOVAH-SABAOTH is also your redeemer.

DRS

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