China is not afraid of a nuclear war with America because it is willing to sacrifice its people, the dissident said. Now take a look at a statement by Chinese general Zhu Chenghu:
… declaring that China would launch nuclear weapons against America if it attacked China and that “we will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all the cities east of Xian,” which would include Beijing, Shanghai, and Canton.
The general is referring to help that America may provide Taiwan in a war with China. If America uses its non-nuclear weapons to protect Taiwan, then China may respond with nuclear weapons. So the fact that China may lose a billion people doesn’t really seem to bother the general. Could you imagine the uproar if a Western general made a similar comment?
China’s hawks demand cold war on the US
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Officially, China has reacted by threatening sanctions against American companies selling arms to Taiwan and cancelling military visits.
But Chinese analysts think the leadership, riding a wave of patriotism as the year of the tiger dawns, may go further.
“This time China must punish the US,” said Major-General Yang Yi, a naval officer. “We must make them hurt.” A major-general in the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), Luo Yuan, told a television audience that more missiles would be deployed against Taiwan. And a PLA strategist, Colonel Meng Xianging, said China would “qualitatively upgrade” its military over the next 10 years to force a showdown “when we’re strong enough for a hand-to-hand fight with the US”.
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An internal publication at the elite Qinghua University last week predicted the strains would get worse because “core interests” were at risk. It said battles over exports, technology transfer, copyright piracy and the value of China’s currency, the yuan, would be fierce.
As a crescendo of strident nationalistic rhetoric swirls through the Chinese media and blogosphere, American officials seem baffled by what has gone wrong and how fast it has happened.
Nuclear War with China is Possible, Says Dissident
Chinese dissident Wei Jingsheng. Wei urged America to pay more attention to the possibility of war with China.
One of China’s most famous democracy advocates says that America has not paid enough attention to the threat of nuclear war with China. Wei Jingsheng, who spent 18 years in confinement in China, spoke at a forum on Chinese leader Hu Jintao at the National Press Club, sketching a disturbing picture of a powerful nation on the march to war.
The forum consisted of China expert panelists giving their various perspectives on the underlying meaning behind the visit of Chinese leader Hu Jintao, who has been in power for the last two years.
Wei stated that China needs the distraction of a war with Taiwan to turn attention away from the Chinese people’s frustration with rampant corruption and failed policies at home.
Wei also stated that a number of factors allow them to consider traditional warfare against Taiwan and even nuclear warfare against America.
[Originally published on Sept. 11, 2005]
First, Russia, who China has often seen as an enemy, has offered a tacit agreement to China’s military plan, said Wei.
He pointed out that “China has signed a treaty with Russia that basically says if China invades Taiwan, Russia will not support the U.S.”, that meant that they would defend Taiwan if the island came under attack.
China also teamed up with Russia recently for joint military exercises on the Shandong Peninsula, an area fairly close to Taiwan, indicating both China’s intentions and Russia’s acceptance of those intentions.
Wei said that China had also been considering nuclear war against America as a way to defeat America in the war. The Chinese Communist Party CCP is considering nuclear war, Wei said, because it is not afraid to sacrifice China’s people.
He took as an evidence Chinese general Zhu Chenghu’s recent public statement declaring that China would launch nuclear weapons against America if it attacked China and that “we will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all the cities east of Xian,” which would include Beijing, Shanghai, and Canton.
Although the general’s view was not publicly corroborated by other officials, Wei said, China’s government-run media enthusiastically circulated the statements.
Wei also warned Americans not to underestimate the irrational behavior of the CCP leadership and that America’s best response to prevent a coming war is to begin taking it seriously.
The Communist Chinese are very dissembling, Wei said. They try to appear to the world as less threatening, while at the same time they plan their next move.
Other panelists added that part of the reason Communist Party officials fear for the Party’s future is the Epoch Times’ “Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party”, an editorial series on the CCP published in November 2004 that has inspired four million Chinese people to cancel their Communist Party membership.
“Whether the campaign of ‘maintaining the advanced nature of the party,’ or anti-Japanese parades, or anti-secession law [i.e., invade Taiwan if it declares independence], or nuclear threats to America, all of these are for the purpose of diverting public attention on the mass resignations,” says Frank Gong, writer for the Chinascope magazine.
According to an August 15 report on the Liberation Army Daily, the Central Military Committee of the Chinese Communist Party CCP released a regulation to bar “private collection of information with severe political issues,” Gong stated. “This indicated that the “Nine Commentaries” had widely spread in the military and caused the Central Military Committee CMC of the Chinese Communist Party to be on high alert.”
The other panelists too tried to dispel the image of China as a nation taking its place in the world as a contributor to peace and prosperity.
Doctor John Li, Senior Research Fellow, Association for Asian Research, described an “equilibrium” status the U.S. currently enjoys with China: America gains access to cheap labor, even though the factories are polluting the country, while China’s totalitarian state acquires badly needed investment dollars.
“It might be good for America that this equilibrium can be kept forever, with the Chinese regime getting the assurance of “no regime change” and America businesses getting the money squeezed from cheap Chinese labor.” However, as much as the U.S. would like it to continue, Li said, America cannot avoid the fact that the Chinese have “never wavered in their belief that ‘America is their Number 1 enemy’.”
Doctor John Li thinks America should distinguish its true friends from its foes. The only way to do that is by looking at countries’ human rights records. Treating China as its adversary, that is, a regime contrary to U.S. values, will lead to the best result in the long term, he said.
All the panelists agreed that America is sleeping, dreaming images of a pleasant, peaceful China. America wants to believe that the CCP has changed and has put an end to its brutal past. But Frank Gong asked rhetorically, “How do you ‘get over’ causing the deaths, unnecessarily, of 80 million people?” He argued that the CCP would never want its crimes exposed.
“So as for the Chinese Communist Party, let’s not consider how much it has improved. We need to consider whether it intends to improve. Once it opens up political freedom and freedom of speech, its past crimes will be exposed. People will have access to information concerning democracy and the rule of law. Then what the CCP faces is not only immediate collapse, but also accountability of all its crimes.”
Gary Feuerberg
Epoch Times
Washington DC Staff
11th of September 2005


The concept of MAD is useless when the other side doesn’t care. Therefore, it shouldn’t fool people as easily as it does to think nuclear war is an impossible or unavoidable future event. These people do not care. Add the fact that they have thousands of miles of deep and nuclear hardened bunkers. We have none and are not prepared in any way thanks to the peace hippies and liberals. We will likely lose, they won’t.
“This time China must punish the US,” said Major-General Yang Yi, a naval officer. “We must make them hurt.” A major-general in the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), Luo Yuan, told a television audience that more missiles would be deployed against Taiwan. And a PLA strategist, Colonel Meng Xianging, said China would “qualitatively upgrade” its military over the next 10 years to force a showdown “when we’re strong enough for a hand-to-hand fight with the US”.
The concept of MAD may delay China, but it won’t stop them. With such weak US leadership we are in big trouble.
Here’s a link to the article you referenced: China’s hawks demand cold war on the US
There was once a video out there about nuclear weapons (I think narrated by William Shatner, if I’m not mistaken) that was chilling.
At the very end, you could see the communist chinese attitude about the bomb. I think the film clips of the actions of the chinese military at the end of it spoke to their disregard for human life- even the lives of their own people and soldiers.
In fact, before I finished typing this, I found the clip on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZbBCqSgLOE
(You may have to login on a youtube account to actually see it.)
China doesn’t care if they lose millions. They want to “win.”
Matt,
I don’t even think there’s a delay. From my perspective all they need to do is bide their time to ensure their attack plan is 110% effective. That’s to say:
* Economic crash by dumping our Dollars.
* Possible use of EMP(s) over the continental US.
* Possible manchurian chips that shut down every computer in America.
* Hit the US nuclear arsenal with nukes from subs off each coast within minutes, or shut them down with the ‘glitches’ we’ve already seen — we’ve already given away our locations and will have reduced our ballistic sub fleet in half thanks to Obama’s new START.
* Dirty bomb military bases.
Lights out.
I think that many readers of this blog would agree that China can defeat the US in a nuclear war. Obama is certainly helping China with the New START treaty. Thanks Obama.
Most people reflexively think that a nuclear attack on America is impossible because of its ability to retaliate. I have tried to show that this is not true. Some countries just don’t care. China doesn’t care. Iran doesn’t care. My next objective is to show that Russia doesn’t care.
Size of the arsenal doesn’t matter if you’re able to shut it down or hit those targets quick enough for retaliation, many of which facilities remain unhardened and aging. Undetectable Chinese subs could pound numerous sites.
Sure, “nobody wins”, which is cliche to say. But that’s only the commonly held view of a western mindset. The Chinese idea of winning nuclear war is annihilating the United States at all costs. If they lose two billion, who cares? The Chinese leadership surely doesn’t.
“The idea of killing millions of people to achieve a relative positional advantage is absurd from the point of view of liberal democracy. From the point of view of positional advantage, it is liberal democracy that proves absurd.” – JR Nyquist
There’s too much underestimating of China. That’s why we will be defeated one day when the Soviets and PLA hammer us with one clenched fist.
If you want further insight on China (or Russia), consider the following columnist Lev Navrozov:
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2010/l.asp
And this, written in 2001, is something to consider:
http://www.jrnyquist.com/war_preps.htm
USA war preparations:
* No civil defense.
* No national missile defense.
* No road or rail-mobile ICBMs.
* Abandonment of the Panama Canal.
* U.S. officials have allowed nuclear warhead secrets to leak out to China.
* The U.S. pays Russia billions of dollars to encourage disarmament measures, but these billions are diverted to Russian war preparations.
* The U.S. Navy is short of fuel.
* The U.S. Army is short of recruits and officers, and has only 10 divisions, with 8 of them unfit for combat.
* The U.S. Air Force is facing pilot shortages, and many aircraft remain grounded for lack of spare parts.
* Only 18 ballistic missile submarines remain in the U.S. Navy, with only 9 at sea on any given day.
* America’s ballistic missile submarine commanders no longer have the launch codes to fire their nuclear weapons, but must rely on the president to send them the launch codes in the event of a war emergency.
* Shop until you drop.
* Wave good-bye to your country.
* Say hello to your new landlord, Mr. Wang.
Pile on our war preps (or lack thereof) with how Obama is disarming our country or making it difficult to retaliate because we now have a no first strike policy, how the enemy is building and modernizing their forces. Additionally, they’re acquiring target locations with every bit of information the new START treaty is giving them. China has already hacked into government systems (military and CIA) which would lead one to believe what can’t they get access to.
Yeah… Add that up and we’re screwed.
JL,
First, one must stop thinking like a Westerner, and start thinking like the Russians and Chinese. A nuclear war can be won by the side that properly prepares and is willing to launch a preemptive nuclear strike. America cannot be easily prepared and would not be willing to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against Russia and/or China. That means America will be at a disadvantage in a conflict with Russia and/or China. Under new leadership this disadvantage could be fixed, but it’s not going to happen under Obama.
Most of America’s arsenal can be taken out by a preemptive nuclear strike.
I agree that it is hard to understand how anyone can win a nuclear war, since both sides will be mostly destroyed. The side that is properly prepared and launches the first strike will be able to retain government officials, police, most military personal, some of their best and brightest citizens, and some nuclear weapons. China probably will be able to retain a few hundred million of their population.
I don’t see Obama implementing the kind of strategy that you advocate. It seems like Obama is oblivious to our weaknesses. He is annoying China and continuing to reduce our nuclear arsenal. That’s not exactly a wise strategy.
Meanwhile, while we sit around, disarm and think everything is wonderful:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20110228/wl_csm/366331
Think we can’t be touched? Think again…
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2006/03/Chinas-Submarine-Challenge
Thanks for reminding me about the “Art of War.” I haven’t read it in a while, so I’ll have to dig it up.